"Just because you're hot doesn't mean that we can then deem your sexual assault experiences as void because you're just fucking hot. Shut up and go model. No." — Alex Cooper
"I think that's what I want for people to take away like I am not saying to any young girl don't capitalize or like work it like commodify your image commodify your body it's definitely one way to succeed in a certain way in this world it also means all these other things that I'm writing about yeah like that's the truth it's complicated it's very complicated." — Emily Ratajkowski
"My hope overall is that women can have better relationships with women like throughout our culture." — Emily Ratajkowski
The episode features an in-depth conversation with Emily Ratajkowski, author of "My Body," where she unpacks the intricate relationship between her public image and personal experiences. Ratajkowski details how growing up with a strong emphasis on appearance, both from her family and the modeling industry, shaped her early understanding of self-worth and societal expectations. She critically examines the concept of objectification, explaining how while it can provide professional advantages, it also leads to significant emotional and mental tolls, including dissociation. The conversation highlights the complexities of modern feminism, emphasizing that it encompasses a broad spectrum of choices and beliefs, rather than a singular prescriptive approach.
A significant portion of the discussion centers on Ratajkowski's experiences with sexual assault and the public's reaction to her disclosures. She recounts instances of feeling unsafe and inappropriately touched from a young age, and candidly discusses the trauma associated with events like the filming of Robin Thicke's "Blurred Lines" music video. Ratajkowski expresses frustration with societal tendencies to blame victims or dismiss their experiences based on their appearance or choices, advocating for a nuanced understanding of consent and agency. The episode underscores her deliberate decision to reclaim her narrative through her book, aiming to offer a more comprehensive perspective than what can be gleaned from soundbites or social media.
The conversation also touches upon Ratajkowski's recent transition to motherhood, the challenges and profound love associated with it, and how it has influenced her perspective on control and her relationship with her body. She reflects on the difficulty of writing about deeply personal and often shame-inducing experiences, but ultimately finds power in sharing them to foster better understanding and connection among women. The overarching hope is that by openly discussing these complex issues, women can cultivate stronger, more supportive relationships with each other and navigate the world with greater self-awareness and empowerment.